BW/BW2 Trainer ID & Secret ID RNG Manip

BW1 TID/SID RNG

Setup

As alluded to earlier, in the cases of the Starter and Roamer in BW1, you may want to prepare for those now. If you simply want a shiny (possibly with a specific nature) of either of the two or just want them to have perfect IVs and a beneficial nature but without being shiny, there's no use in preparing for that now as it'll be fairly easy to get later on anyways. If you however do want 5/6 perfect IVs AND for it to be shiny, you should prepare for that to save yourself many hours of time later.

This is important for the Starter, as that early on in the game you lack Chatot which are the primary tool used to advance the RNG forward relatively quickly and consistently, and instead you only have the very slow saving the game as a way to advance. So to not have to save the game 500 times wasting 2 hours of your time, you should prepare a target seed that has 5/6 perfect IVs on IV Advance 0 with an early PID Advance that has the nature you desire which you can then turn shiny.

How to actually RNG manipulate the Starter later I will not explain here but in a specific Starter RNG guide. As for the Roamer you'll also want to prepare for a 5/6 IV shiny now, as it's the single most annoyingly inconsistent RNG in all of Gen 5 due to both the random interference from NPCs on Route 7 and the storm cutscene itself advancing the RNG by wildly varying amounts. Going for less than 5/6 perfect IVs will also actually make this more difficult for reasons I will not explain here; so you must choose between getting a 5/6 IV and getting one with fully random IVs. Due to the scope of the preparations needed for the Roamer, I will not explain how to prepare for it at all in this guide but rather make it a section of the Roamer RNG guide you can find here.

You can only prepare for one of the two, the Starter or the Roamer, on your savefile, so choose wisely. To find out how to prepare for getting a 5/6 IV shiny Starter, check out the following note.

Note: Getting a 5/6 IV shiny Starter.

To get a seed to target for your Starter, you'll want to start by opening up Pokefinder, going to the Gen 5 tab and once there opening the Static option.

In the Gen 5 Static windows top left make sure the profile of the game you wish to do this in is selected and right below the profile option switch to the searcher tab in which there's 3 different sections labeled "RNG Info", "Settings" and "Filters".

In the RNG Info section, put the Max Advances to 10 and input a date range you wish to search through (I personally would pick the full current month) whilst leaving the Initial IV Advances, Max IV Advances, Initial Advances and Lucky Power all at 0. Next in the Settings section, select the Starters Category with the Starter you wish to RNG and finally in the Filters section input your desired IVs, Gender and Nature.

Now you can hit the Search button and if you get no results you can either search through a different date range (e.g. the full next month), increase the Max Advances (don't forget saving the game to advance is your only option and takes quite a while) or select more possible Keypresses in your profile. Once you've found a result you're happy with, copy its PID and write it down somewhere you can find it again later.

If I were to prepare for a Starter, I would take this marked one as the Keypresses are easy and the target second in 21 is very quick (would be quite long if you're on a 3DS model but I'm not). Now best to also e.g. take a screenshot of the full window to easily be able to find this target seed again in the future when you get to actually RNG the starter itself. That's all the prep you need, so you can now continue on with the guide.

Open up PokeFinder, go to the Gen 5 tab and once there open the IDs option.

There select the profile of the game you wish to do TID/SID RNG in if it isn't selected already and in the left half of the window labeled Search By, put the start and end date to however long of a time window you wish to search through (I'll search through one week starting on the 11th of August 2025 and ending on the 17th) and set the Max Advances to 0.

Now there's 3 more checkboxes with fields next to them labeled PID, TID and SID. The SID field you basically never want to use unless you have a HIGHLY specific purpose for it (mainly would be used to nickname event Pokemon as that requires matching TID, SID, trainer name, trainer gender and game of origin). The PID field is for when you wish to prepare your savefile to easily be able to get e.g. a 5/6 IV Starter or Roamer and the TID field is for when you wish to get a specific number Trainer ID. Neither of those two are required but I recommend aiming for a TID number you like as it does not affect the difficulty of the RNG at all. In this example I will check off both boxes and input the PID of a 5IV Timid Roamer I prepared for and the TID number of 00555 just because I think it's a funny number.

If you wish to get a number that starts with any 0's such as my 00555, be aware that PokeFinder will only let you input the 555 as it has the exact same value as 00555; once you successfully RNG it to be your savefiles TID, it'll show up as 00555 as expected (05050 for example is input as 5050; only 0's at the front of a number, before any not-0 number, can be ignored). The Static/Wild checkbox is required to check off if you were to prepare for a Stationary or Wild encounters PID to turn shiny, but you're probably preparing for either nothing, the Starter (Gift encounter) or for the Roamer, so no need to check off that box. Then you can click Search and if you searched for nothing specific at all or only searched for either a specific TID number or a specific PID to be turned shiny, but not both, you will most definitely get several results already.

Since I was looking for both a specific TID and a PID, I did not get any results this time and now have 3 options:

1. Increase the date range I search through. Since I want the "Adventure Started" date to be close to the actual date, I personally am not willing to increase this.
2. Increase Max Advances. Whilst Advances will make each attempt take a bit longer, even just 5 of them will have PokeFinder search through significantly more results so I'll put them to 5. I'd say doing up to 20 is generally within reason. I will explain how to actually do Advances later.

3. Increase Keypresses in my profile. I'm already at 0-4 and whilst 5 is still usually doable, having increased the Advances to 4 should be enough for my specific case.

Now searching again with the settings adjusted, PokeFinder found 6 target seeds I can go for. Since I'm lazy I'll go with the one that requires less work from me. The fifth one has by far the most comfortable target seconds for me to aim for in 24; the others are either so low that I'd have to add a full minute to the timer or are ~30 seconds higher anyways. On 3DS the threshold for what target seconds will have you add a minute to the timer is gonna be much lower so going for something between like 40-55 target seconds would be most comfortable there. The seed has Advances of 34 and Initial Advances of 30 which means that I'd later have to do 34-30=4 manual Advances myself. There's also 2 Keypresses in the Start and Up buttons that I'll have to press during startup of the game later.

The RNG Process

Open up EonTimer and there put the Target Second to your seeds seconds (24 in my case), go into the DS menu to change the date to the target date (here the 12th of August 2025) and get ready to change and confirm the target time (16:07 for me; should EonTimer say "Minutes Before Target: 1" and your target time is e.g. 12:30:05, you'd need to put it to 12:29 in your DS).

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At the moment that you confirm the time change on your DS console, press the Start button in EonTimer. Now go back to the home menu, get ready to start the game as soon as the 6th and final beep of EonTimer sounds and make sure to press and hold any buttons your target seed may require (start pressing the buttons right after you started the game and you can let go once the star appears on the top screen; I will need to press and hold the Start button and the Up direction on the D-pad).

Now continue on selecting the "NEW GAME" option, go through the introduction sequence, choose your gender and name yourself. After confirming your name on the bottom screen by clicking on OK, Professor Juniper will ask you whether she got your name right and this is the moment you can Advance the RNG if your target ID pair requires any Advances.

In my case I will need to do 4 Advances, so I say "No" to her question a total of 4 times. Each time you say "No" when Juniper asks you this, the RNG Advances by 1 so do this however often is required for your target ID pair. After you're done with advancing you can finish up the introduction and get through the conversation with Cheren and Bianca. Right after, as soon as you can move your character, open up the menu by pressing X, go to the trainer info option (will just be named whatever you named yourself; has a yellow card symbol), click on the trainer card symbol in the bottom left and flip the card on its back using the flip button to see what TID you got. If you got your target TID number congratulations, you just successfully RNG manipulated your TID/SID and can now skip to the "Next Steps..." section.

Troubleshooting

If it is not your target TID number however, you first gotta find out what else you may have hit to make sure nothing else went wrong. Start by opening the Profile Manager at the top. Here create a new profile that is an exact copy of the profile of the game that you have been using for this IDrng as of yet, but with one difference: for the Min and Max Timer0, input both Timer0 values that you can get here. I for example can get both C78 and C79 as my Timer0's, so I'll put the Min to the lower value of the two in C78 and the Max to the higher value in C79. If you don't know your other, less common Timer0 value, just put the range to include both the Timer0 above and the Timer0 below your main one (in my case that would be C78 below and C7A above my main C79) as that'll make the program search all three Timer0's. I'll name this new profile "B1 Phat Troubleshooting" since it's for troubleshooting my Black 1 game that I RNG with on my DS.

This profile will ONLY be for troubleshooting. Whenever you search for a target seed, you should always select your main profile.

Save the profile, go back to the IDs window, select this newly created profile and now input the TID you got into the right half of PokeFinders IDrng section labeled "Seed Finder", put the date, hour and minute to that of your target seed, the Second Range to be +/-1 of your target second if you're on DS/Lite/i and +/-3 if you're on 3DS models (so 23-25 for me since my target is 24 and I'm on a DS) and put the Max Advances to the amount you need to do +1 (so 4+1=5 in my case). Now press the Find button and you should be presented with at least 1 result.

If there's nothing that likely means you did something wrong. Double check all the date and time settings match in both PokeFinder and on your DS. After you checked simply try again whether you noticed something or not and if you still get nothing, calibrate your profile one more attempt to make sure you didn't accidentally write down the wrong VCount or something. If after all that you still cannot seem to get anything, join im a blisy ._.'s RNG manip assistance Discord server and ask for help in the bw_b2w2 channel providing an explanation of the issue and full window screenshots of your PokéFinder IDs window and EonTimer.

If you do get a result, you now need to check whether it's sensible by having a look at the Advances. Optimally whatever you hit should have the exact same Keypresses your target ID has and the difference between the Advances and the Initial Advances columns should match the amount of manual Advances you did, but since we're all only human and can e.g. miscount, if it's 1 Advance too much or 1 too little it's likely still valid. Also have a look at the second you hit vs the second you targeted. Normally on DS, Lite and i you should always hit your exact target second whilst on 3DS models hitting 1 off is fairly common. If the result is off any more than that, do 1 more Profile Calibration and adjust your EonTimer with the second you hit instead of your target if needed.

In my first attempt I hit a TID of 16293 which I get 2 results for. I know the second one is the one I hit because the Keypresses match and 36-32=4 which matches the amount of Advances I did precisely as well. The second I hit is also 24 just like my target but the Timer0 I hit is my rarer Timer0 in C78 instead of my target C79. That'll just happen sometimes; nothing I can do about that except try again and hope I won't get Timer0'd again.

Whilst in theory this is a valid hit and if I didn't care for my TID to be 00555 specifically (and didn't want a 5/6IV shiny Starter or Roamer) I could just proceed now being done with TID/SID RNG, I would advise against it. The amount of times I've seen people who thought they got an ID pair just because PokeFinder displayed it to them when in reality something went wrong making them unable to get e.g. a shiny Starter later is in the dozens.

I ALWAYS recommend people to continue until they get the specific TID/SID pair they originally aimed for. That is the only way to ensure you did indeed get what PokeFinder tells you you got and with IDrng being one of the easiest RNGs in Gen 5 it's not gonna take particularly long or be very difficult to successfully do either. So now you just rinse and repeat this RNG until you get your desired ID pair.

Updating the Profile

I got my wanted TID of 00555 on the second try already! Now all that's left to do is go to the Profile Manager at the top left of the IDs window and edit our profile by inputting the TID/SID pair we got.

BW2 TID/SID RNG

Setup

As alluded to earlier, in the case of the Starter in BW2, you may want to prepare for it now. If you simply want a shiny (possibly with a specific nature and gender) or just want it to have perfect IVs and a beneficial nature but without being shiny, there's no use in preparing for that now as it'll be fairly easy to get later on anyways. If you however do want 5/6 perfect IVs AND for it to be shiny, you should prepare for that to save yourself many hours of time later.

This is important for the Starter, as that early on in the game you lack Chatot which are the primary tool used to advance the RNG forward relatively quickly and consistently, and instead you only have the very slow saving the game as a way to advance. But even that is highly unreliable for the Starter as there's 2 randomly moving NPCs loaded in when you're standing in front of Bianca which can and will advance the RNG by inconsistent amounts between saves. Here you should prepare a target seed that has 5/6 perfect IVs on IV Advance 0 with an early PIDrng Advance that has the nature you desire which you can then turn shiny.

How to actually RNG manipulate the Starter later I will not explain here but in a specific Starter RNG guide. To find out how to prepare for a 5/6 IV shiny Starter, check out the following note.

Note: Getting a 5/6 IV shiny Starter.

To get a seed to target for your Starter, you'll want to start by opening up Pokefinder, going to the Gen 5 tab and once there opening the Static option.

In the Gen 5 Static windows top left make sure the profile of the game you wish to do this in is selected and right below the profile option switch to the searcher tab in which there's 3 different sections labeled "RNG Info", "Settings" and "Filters".

In the RNG Info section, put the Initial Advances to 3, the Max Advances to 2 and input a date range you wish to search through (I personally would pick the full current month) whilst leaving the Initial IV Advances, Max IV Advances and Lucky Power all at 0 (the Initial and Max Advances being set to 3 and 2 means the program will start searching at Advance 3 and until Advance 5 since 3+2=5.

We want this due to the 2 randomly moving NPCs that interfere with taking the starter being here, as on average, they do between 3-5 Advances in between you loading into the game and taking the Starter if you're as fast as you can be; 4 is the by far most common amount however 3 or 5 is still common enough and will give us more results in the searcher hence why 3-5 is the Advance range I recommend). Next in the Settings section, select the Starters Category with the Starter you wish to RNG and finally in the Filters section input your desired IVs, Gender and Nature.

Now you can hit the Search button and if you get no results you can either search through a different date range (e.g. the full next month) or select more possible Keypresses in your profile. I do not recommend changing the Advance range at all for BW2 as that'll mean you'll have to rely on the inconsistent Advances of the NPCs to get you to your target Advance. Once you've found a result you're happy with, copy its PID and write it down somewhere you can find it again later.

I will use this 6 IV Adamant Female Snivy seed (for which I needed to increase my Keypresses up to 5 at a time to find it). The target second is not too bad and Keypresses are fine enough; there's far worse combinations of 5 Keypresses to hold on a DS Phat model. Now best to also e.g. take a screenshot of the full window to easily be able to find this target seed again in the future when you get to actually RNG the starter itself. That's all the prep you need, so you can now continue on with the guide.

Open up PokeFinder, go to the Gen 5 tab and once there open the IDs option.

There select the profile of the game you wish to do TID/SID RNG in if it isn't selected already and in the left half of the window labeled Search By, put the start and end date to however long of a time window you wish to search through (I'll search through one week starting on the 11th of August 2025 and ending on the 17th) and set the Max Advances to 0.

Now there's 3 more checkboxes with fields next to them labeled PID, TID and SID. The SID field you basically never want to use unless you have a HIGHLY specific purpose for it (mainly would be used to nickname event Pokemon as that requires matching TID, SID, trainer name, trainer gender and game of origin).

The PID field is for when you wish to prepare your savefile to easily be able to get e.g. a 5/6 IV Starter and the TID field is for when you wish to get a specific number Trainer ID. Neither of those two are required but in this example I will check off both boxes inputting the PID of the 6IV Adamant Starter I prepared and the TID number of 55000 just because I think it's a funny number.

If you wish to get a number that starts with any 0's such as 00555, be aware that PokeFinder will only let you input the 555 as it has the exact same value as 00555; once you successfully RNG it to be your savefiles TID, it'll show up as 00555 as expected (05050 for example is input as 5050; only 0's at the front of a number before any not-0 number can be ignored).

The Static/Wild checkbox is required to check off if you were to prepare for a Stationary or Wild encounters PID to turn shiny, but you're probably preparing for either nothing or the Starter (Gift encounter), so no need to check off that box. Then you can click Search and if you searched for nothing specific at all or only searched for either a specific TID number or a specific PID to be turned shiny, but not both, you will most definitely get several results already. But if for example you search for both a TID and a PID, you may not have gotten any results right now in which case you have 3 options:

1. Increase the date range you search through.

2. Increase Max Advances. Whilst Advances will make each attempt take a bit longer, even just 5 of them will have PokeFinder search through significantly more results so I'll put them to 5. I'd say doing up to 10 is generally within reason. I will explain how to actually do Advances later.

3. Increase Keypresses in your profile. I'm already at 0-4 but 5 is still usually doable just fine whilst 6, 7 or 8 are sometimes not humanly feasible.

Now with at least one target seed found, you must choose which to pick. Generally I recommend to prioritize aiming for something with a low target second so like 16-31 on DS/Lite/i and 40-55 on 3DS models). In my case I only got a single one so I have no choice but to take it (or search another date range/more Advances/add more Keypresses).

Since I put the Max Advances to 0, I'll not have to advance at all myself but if you did have to increase the Max Advances, the amount of Advances you have to do yourself is calculated by subtracting the Initial Advances from the Advances. If the Initial Advances were 30 for example and the Advances were 34, I'd later have to do 34-30=4 manual Advances myself. There's also 2 Keypresses in the B and Start buttons that I'll have to press during startup of the game later.

The RNG Process

Open up EonTimer and there put the Target Second to your seeds seconds (6 in my case), go into the DS menu to change the date to the target date (here the 12th of August 2025) and get ready to change and confirm the target time (normally it'd be 02:49 for me with that target seed, however EonTimer says "Minutes Before Target: 1" so I need to put the time to a minute earlier in 02:48 on my DS; this is due to 6 being too low of a target second to feasibly hit, so EonTimer adds a full minute to the time).

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At the moment that you confirm the time change on your DS console, press the Start button in EonTimer. Now go back to the home menu, get ready to start the game as soon as the 6th and final beep of EonTimer sounds and make sure to press and hold any buttons your target seed may require (start pressing the buttons right after you started the game and you can let go once the star appears on the top screen; I will need to press and hold the B and Start buttons).

Now continue on selecting the "NEW GAME" option, go through the introduction sequence, choose your gender and name yourself. After confirming your name on the bottom screen by clicking on OK, Professor Juniper will ask you whether she got your name right and this is the moment you can Advance the RNG if your target ID pair requires any Advances.

In my case I don't need to do any Advances but if you had to do e.g. 4 Advances, you'd say "No" to her question a total of 4 times. Each time you say "No" when Juniper asks you this, the RNG Advances by 1 so do this however often is required for your target ID pair. You also get to name your rival in these games but saying "No" to Juniper when she asks you whether she got his name correct will not advance the RNG.

After you're done with advancing you can finish up the introduction and as soon as you can move your character, open up the menu by pressing X, go to the trainer card option (will just be named whatever you named yourself; has a yellow card symbol) and flip the card on its back using the flip button to see what TID you got. If you got your target TID number congratulations, you just successfully RNG manipulated your TID/SID and can now skip to the "Next Steps..." section.

Troubleshooting

If it is not your target TID number however, you first gotta find out what else you may have hit to make sure nothing else went wrong. Start by opening the Profile Manager at the top. Here create a new profile that is an exact copy of the profile of the game that you have been using for this IDrng as of yet, but with one difference: for the Min and Max Timer0, check out what Timer0's you have gotten during profile calibration and input the lowest value -1 as the Min and the highest value +1 as the Max (if you got e.g. 1102, 1103, 1104, 1105, 1106, 1107, 1108 and 1109 as Timer0's, put the range to 1101-110A. If you did not write down all the Timer0's you can get or you lost the writeup, put the range to your most common Timer0 - and + 16. So if 1106 was your most common Timer0, put the range to 10F6 Min and 1116 Max. I'll name this new profile "B2 Phat Eng Troubleshooting" since it's for troubleshooting my English Black 2 game that I RNG with on my DS (If you are using one of the DSi/3DS consoles that can have 2 different VCounts, you'll need to make 2 of these profiles each having 1 of the two VCounts you can get).

This profile will ONLY be for troubleshooting. Whenever you search for a target seed, you should always select your main profile.

Save the profile, go back to the IDs window, select this newly created profile and now input the TID you got into the right half of PokeFinders IDrng section labeled "Seed Finder", put the date, hour and minute to that of your target seed, the Second Range to be +/-1 of your target second if you're on DS/Lite/i and +/-3 if you're on 3DS models (so 5-7 for me since my target is 6 and I'm on a DS) and put the Max Advances to the amount you need to do +1 (so 0+1=1 in my case). Now press the Find button and you should be presented with at least 1 result.

If there's nothing that likely means you did something wrong. Double check all the date and time settings match in both PokeFinder and on your DS. After you checked simply try again whether you noticed something or not and if you still get nothing, calibrate your profile one more attempt to make sure you didn't accidentally write down the wrong VCount or something. If after all that you still cannot seem to get anything, join im a blisy ._.'s RNG manip assistance Discord server and ask for help in the bw_b2w2 channel providing an explanation of the issue and full window screenshots of your PokéFinder IDs window and EonTimer.

If you do get a result, you now need to check whether it's sensible by having a look at the Advances. Optimally whatever you hit should have the exact same Keypresses your target ID has and the difference between the Advances and the Initial Advances columns should match the amount of manual Advances you did, but since we're all only human and can e.g. miscount, if it's 1 Advance too much or 1 too little it's likely still valid. Also have a look at the second you hit vs the second you targeted. Normally on DS, Lite and i you should always hit your exact target second whilst on 3DS models hitting 1 off is fairly common. If the result is off any more than that, do 1 more Profile Calibration and adjust your EonTimer with the second you hit instead of your target if needed.

In my first attempt I hit a TID of 21775 which I get 2 results for. I know the first one is the one I hit because the Keypresses match and 36-36=0 which matches the amount of Advances I did precisely as well. The second I hit is also 6 just like my target but the Timer0 I hit is 1107 instead of my target 1106. That'll just happen a fair lot in BW2; nothing I can do about that except try again and hope I won't get Timer0'd too much. Whilst in theory this is a valid hit and if I didn't care for my TID to be 55000 specifically (and didn't want a 5/6IV shiny Starter) I could just proceed now being done with TID/SID RNG, I would advise against it.

The amount of times I've seen people who thought they got an ID pair just because PokeFinder displayed it to them when in reality something went wrong making them unable to get e.g. a shiny Starter later is in the dozens. I ALWAYS recommend people to continue until they get the specific TID/SID pair they originally aimed for. That is the only way to ensure you did indeed get what PokeFinder tells you you got and with IDrng being one of the easiest RNGs in BW2 it's not gonna take particularly long or be very difficult to successfully do either in comparison to other BW2 RNGs. So now you just rinse and repeat this RNG until you get your desired ID pair; due to the volatility of the Timer0 in BW2 it's not unlikely you'll have to do 10 or more attempts depending on your luck (also will be more on 3DS models due to the inconsistency with the seconds you hit).

Updating the Profile

After 7 attempts I got my target ID of 55000! Now all that's left to do is go to the Profile Manager at the top left of the IDs window and edit our profile by inputting the TID/SID pair we got.